Aussies fear for $15,000 deposits as another residential ship fails to sail

Australians who paid up to $15,000 deposit to secure a promised long-term berth on Victoria Cruises Line “world’s first affordable residential ship” fear for their deposits.

Victoria Cruises Line passengers have been demanding their money back after the promised voyage failed to materialise. The worldwide cruise has been rescheduled several times after the company maintained it failed to reach the 80 per cent capacity required.

There has been only one successful refund so far.

“We’ve bailed,” passenger Taryna Wawn told Cruise Passenger from her home in Perth, where she and her husband recently retired. “We were aware of the risk but were still willing to take the chance.” 

Wawn deposited US$10,000 (AU$15,000) on April 13, 2023 into an account in Budapest, Hungary. After an initial scheduled departure from Port Everglades on July 1, 2023, it was pushed back to September 1, then again to December 1.

Year-long delay

Aussie cruises are still waiting for refunds and are concerned another residential cruisie ship may not float

The line has now promised a departure of July 26. That’s more than a year after it was first supposed to leave. After numerous postponements, the Perth couple requested cancellation of their booking on October 9, 2023.

Victoria Cruises Line website says it has a 90-day refund policy. Wawn is still waiting.

“We are not anxious, we are ok, we are not putting our life on hold. But we are trying to keep our morale up,” she said. “It’s $15,000!”

She has also shown Cruise Passenger a raft of correspondence which some count interpret as belligerent a d hectoring.

NSW residents Graham Whittaker and Garda Hemming, currently sailing around New Zealand aboard Holland America’s Noordam, are not holding their breath about their own AU$15,000 deposit.

“We’ve resorted to taunting them now,” said Whittaker, a former journalist and Royal Navy sailor who knows his way around boats. “Taunting them is the only way we have been getting replies.”

In various emails, the pair said they had also been told that the line did not own a ship. The couple had initially inquired about Miray, another residential cruise ship venture by Life at Sea which also ran into trouble. But they said they looked Victoria Cruises Line was the safer option with a European registered ship.

The dream of a life or retirement at sea has so far eluded almost all but those on the ultra luxe World , which sells expensive suites and has been sailing since 2002. Many well known personalities like Ross Packer own apartments on the vessel.

However, the demand is there – which explains why a number of new ventures have tried it. The question is: can you make the numbers work to sustain a lasting business.

Cruise Passenger contacted Victoria Cruises Line and was told there would be a statement on Monday.

In the past, the line has hit back at attempts by respected industry journals like Cruise Industry News, claiming “discrimination” because it is European.

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Vice President Marcell Herold responds to a media inquiry via the company website.

“We have sent a legal letter of demand to them through a Hungarian lawyer,” said Hemming, although the local legal system is slow, she added.

An October email from the company outlined various misfortunes. That includes low occupancy rates, “misbookings”, “false bookings”, cancellations, imitators and a “Google Bug” as the reason behind the postponement.

Any missing refunds have been blamed on bank transfer failures or refund form errors.

“In recent months, several new companies have emerged that have copied much of the VCL concept, which has contributed to the loss of passengers and to the fact that the load factor has not developed as planned,” the company claimed in one email.

"Darryl Marks" spruiks Victoria Cruises Line
“Darryl Marks” spruiks Victoria Cruises Line

“The new PR company that we agreed to launch the new campaign with is a month late because technical problems prevented them from launching the new campaign. We are confident that the new PR campaign will be launched soon and that occupancy levels will increase.”

The CEO pictured on its website is a stock image from a picture agency. Other investigations reveal the a captain who has heard nothing since an initial job offer. Any indication of reporting the anomalies to authorities or media has been met with legal threats or police action.

Captain of the Victoria Cruise Line ship on video
Captain of the Victoria Cruise Line ship on video

Affected passengers have now started a Victoria Cruise Residents Facebook forum page which has 270 members. Wawn is one of its administrators and has listed 28 people who have requested a deposit. Only one has been paid, Florida resident Janie Coffey.

“The media platform is not the place to seek a resolution to complaints,” Marcell Herold, Vice President, Victoria Cruises Line posted on the company website.

“VCL Company will take the necessary legal action in all cases where it can be proven that a customer is publishing false, alleged or true allegations in the media.

“In several cases, we have received blackmail letters demanding money from us because otherwise, they would post fake content on the internet that would discredit VCL. In these cases, we filed a complaint and took legal action.” 

Consumer advocate goes into bat

But disgruntled consumers are not convinced with Consumer Champion’s Adam Glezer also taking up the fight.

“A lot of these people are desperately trying to get their money back but have been offered nothing but excuse after excuse,” Glezer said.

The popularity of cruising means many are tempted by the long-term sail opportunities, with the failed Miray just one circulating. Victoria Cruises Line promised to provide cruisers the opportunity to rent luxury suites/premium staterooms for a minimum of six months.

“With a start-up the risk factor will be higher,” said Glezer. “Have you done your due diligence? You have to ask yourself if this is an honest and reputable company? Have they run a cruise before? Are they a legitimate company? Do they have any credibility?

“And when you do ask a legitimate question or ask for a refund, threatening lawsuits and police action shows an extreme level of unprofessionalism.”

Background of Victoria Cruises Line

Early last year Victoria Cruises Line announced it was entering the ocean cruise market with two former HAL-Holland America ships.

“Throw your current lifestyle overboard!” the website proclaimed. “Become the globetrotter you’ve always wanted to be as a resident of our luxury cruise ship. Sail for a minimum of 6 months, or as long as you desire!

“Life on our cruise ship can be less costly than living on land, especially when you take into consideration your housing costs, utilities, internet, food, maintenance and other amenities that are all included with your monthly rental.”

Victoria Cruise Line website world map
Victoria Cruise Line website world map

Victoria Cruises Line claimed it had acquired MS Veendam and MS Ryndam, and renamed them Victoria Majestic and Victoria Amazing, respectively

While it claims to be headquartered in Limassol in Cyprus, Greece, Victoria Cruises Line LLC is registered to an address in Budapest, Hungary. 

Cruise Mapper has the 28-year-old Aegean Majesty (which was supposed to be Victoria Majestic), with a capacity of 1620, currently in Aigio, Greece. But it looks like it is going nowhere.

It is still advertising bookings on its Facebook page and on the website. Calls and emails to Victoria Cruises Line by Cruise Passenger remain unanswered.

  • Victoria Cruises Line is not associated with Victoria Cruise Lines which currently operates on the Yangtze River with seven ships.
Victoria Cruises Line
The registered office of Victoria Cruises Line Kft.

5 thoughts on “Aussies fear for $15,000 deposits as another residential ship fails to sail”

  1. I originally asked for my refund early July, 2023. I received it mid December 2023. I know of at least 15 people who have asked for their deposits back between August and October 2023 who have not yet received their refunded deposits.

  2. In hindsight I see the red flags that came up as we signed on with Victoria Cruises Line, red flags that weren’t obvious at the time. We even met the Brand Ambassador and got her business card when she took us out for coffee. This kind of article may help other people from being duped as we were. Maybe this article will help us get our money back.

  3. To paraphrase the words of a great American movie: “They can’t handle the truth!”
    It is a business model that can and will work. It is beyond unfortunate that the negative publicity because of these two companies not paying refunds will cloud the industry.

  4. Some will say that we did not due proper ‘Due Diligence”. Not true. Many respected cruise magazines conflated the well known US company Victoria Cruise Lines with the ‘other’ company Victoria Cruises Line with glossy press releases and statements from the CEO Mr Olavs Zvinelis. PLEASE cruise industry, before you publish glossy articles conflating companies and ships, DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE WE TRUSTED YOU TOO!

  5. Thank you Grant for producing such an informative and detailed article which, hopefully, will alert your many cruise enthusiasts to remain vigilant and aware.
    I, for one, will be sharing this with as many of my cruising friends as possible.

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