Canberra pair told to wait three years for their $46,000 cruise refund

A Canberra pair are claiming they are out of pocket $46,000 after a cruise line refused to refund their European cruise and tour.

The story of Andrea Twell, 64 and Chris Nichols, 73, is becoming an increasingly familiar one as the complexities of the refund system – and the terms and conditions used by cruise lines – continue to sour relations with literally thousands of cruise fans.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is investigating 10,000 travel refund complaints – not all, of course, from the cruise industry.

But it is still a hot button issue among Cruise Passenger readers, with many lines affected.

Today, the ACCC issued a statement saying it was closely monitoring what cruise lines are doing.

“The ACCC is currently investigating whether some cruise companies are misleading consumers about the remedies they are entitled to, or the cancellation fees that can be applied. We are continuing to engage with these companies to ensure they are acting in accordance with their obligations to consumers under the contract and the Australian Consumer Law.”

The Canberra pair spent $23,000 each for a Scenic luxury river cruise down the Rhine as well as a tour to see the famous Oberammergau Passion Play, an event which happens only once every 10 years.

The friends, who both have health issues, were told that when they first booked in September 2019, that if they cancelled, they would have to forego just $1,000.

However, due to the pandemic, the cruise was postponed until 2022.

When Ms Twell and Ms Nichols sought advice from Flight Centre, with whom they made their booking, after COVID-19 halted travel, they were then told they would lose $4990.50 in “third party costs” in addition to the $1,000 and $500 airline cancellation fee.

“We booked and paid in full 10 months ago for this luxury trip. As we both have health issues, we wanted to book the best in case we had any problems while we were on holidays. We would at least be in good hands,” said Ms Twell.

“When we booked, we understood we would have lost $1000 in the event of a cancellation, 60 days prior to our holiday. But the issue we have with Scenic is that we feel like there was a lack of transparency around the cancellation fees.”

“We were told the option of the refund minus $6000 each was only available when we were 60 days out from the cruise. Our only option for a refund now is to wait until 30 June 2023. We will get a refund then.”

The costs of the play, hotels and transfers – amounting to $6000, which includes a standard Scenic cancellation fee – couldn’t be recouped from the organisers and therefore wouldn’t be repaid.

Ms Twell and Ms Nichols were told by Scenic they would be able to use their future cruise credit voucher until 2023. But, if they wanted the full refund, they would have to wait until 2023.

Ms Nichols, who is a self-funded retiree and Ms Twell who has metastatic cancer and is currently undergoing radiation, said they wanted answers from the Australian luxury touring group on why they are not eligible to receive a refund now.

“We both have to be realistic. We might not be around for the next two years to cruise and especially for me, as a self-funded retiree, $23,000 is a lot of money to lose,” said Ms Nichols.

Scenic told Cruise Passenger: “Our passengers were extremely excited about the Oberammergau Passion Play and it’s extremely unfortunate that the play has had to be postponed, the first time in 180 years.

“But the situation is that it’s currently not safe to travel and once it is, we will be ensuring that those who have booked to watch the Oberammergau Passion Play will be able to do so.”

Meanwhile pressure is building for better protection for cruise passengers – and travellers in general – caught up in this type of situation.

Consumer advocate Adam Glezer, leader of the Facebook advocacy group Travel Industry Issues – The Need For Change for Australians, has sent a draft plan for legislation change to government bodies and community groups spurred on by scores of angry consumers.

Mr Glezer said that customers should be entitled to see where their money has been spent by travel providers for third party incurred costs.

“If funds are being held back, a customer is entitled to a full itemised invoice upon request according to the latest ACCC best practice guidelines. And if a customer doesn’t receive this, how are they to know where their money is gone,” he said.

“If the travel provider says that these are unrecoverable costs, a customer has every right to know what these unrecoverable costs are. Basically, this all comes down to a lack of transparency across much of the industry.”

The ACCC’s statement says:

  • The ACCC is also aware of concerns that have been raised in relation to the future sale of cruises, particularly given the government restrictions on cruises that remain in place.
  • The ACCC has engaged with several major cruise companies regarding this issue, to ensure they are aware of, and comply with, their obligations to consumers and communicate properly with them regarding the remedies they will provide should these cruises be cancelled in the future. We are also continuing to actively monitor cruise sales practices.
  • When businesses sell future cruises, the ACCC expects that they will clearly advise consumers whether they will be entitled to a refund and whether there are any cancellation fees if the cruise does not proceed due to government restrictions.
  • Consumers should be aware that if they cancel the cruise, rather than the operator cancelling the cruise then their rights to a refund may be limited.
  • Before making any cruise bookings, we recommend that consumers:
  1. Ask directly whether they are entitled to a refund if the cruise does not proceed;
  2. Understand the terms and conditions of the booking;
  3. Ask directly about when payments are due and look for businesses that offer payment closer to departure when there’s more certainty about the cruise proceeding

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6 thoughts on “Canberra pair told to wait three years for their $46,000 cruise refund”

  1. What a joke . The company should be able to cover refund straight away . A massive company makes ppl wait . No-one should cruise until pandemic is either over or under control. Things like this make me think there more to covid than what they say . All the trouble with cruise ships at the start but it’s ok to cruise but can’t cross a border ppl loose there job over night ppl are dieing but yea let’s cruise again oh sorry government cancel us um wait for ur cash . Should get refund and a free trip when under control. Every country handling it differently. States handle it differently. But ppl ask will it go away . Lol y didn’t we just seriously shut the world literally every inside 2 weeks then the sick seperate open up again. What no-one could survive 2 weeks . No-one loose no-one gain . Can’t even say what the real number of deaths are. Say some ppl dnt even know if they got it so what U have heart attack but got covid didn’t know tho they say covid death . It’s the truth . This world needs to what the hell up

  2. Surely these people took out travel insurance when they paid their deposit. That insurance would cover the amounts not refunded by the travel company.
    If you can’t afford insurance, you can’t afford to travel.

  3. As a Platinum passenger I am extremely disappointed with Scenic if they have not provided a refund to this couple. I can understand if the couple cancelled late, as did they, that they would not get all of it back, but when the provider cannot provide the goods, then ALL the money should be repaid. If the Oberammergau Passion Play costs had to be paid in advance, then that company should be immediately making refunds to booked clients, no arguments.
    I have now had THREE cruises with Princess cancelled due to Covid 19 and while offered full payment or cruise credits, I chose the Cruise credits, and got more than the original cost as an extra bonus for staying the course, meaning I can now take two cruises for the price of one. I know it does take some organisations a while to refund charges, especially ports which charge on receipt of bookings for berths and take months to refund those charges to shipping lines when cancellation is due the Government actions, as in Covid 19 cases. I am currently booked on one cruise with Princess and just waiting for confirmation as to when cruising will begin again!

  4. Try dealing with Holidays Of Australia! I paid them $12,000 for 2 people twelve months ago for a Ghan train package and cruise with Princess lines and have received no refunds at all. Told the Ghan company does do refunds as I can take the train trip at another time? My husband died on 29/9/20 so he won’t be available! And I believe the cruise ship has been scraped and there won’t be any cruises anyway. What do you do?

  5. Scenic T&Cs in print Europe River Cruise brochure March 2019
    Scenic 2020 Pre-Release Europe River Cruising – cancellation T&Cs
    “Contract
    1.1 These terms and conditions (“Conditions”) form the basis of the contract between You and Scenic Tours Pty Limited (“Scenic, We, Us or Our) (“Contract”). It is important that You read the Contract carefully to ensure that You understand Your rights and obligations. Your Contract may also include additional terms and conditions applicable to a special offer or promotion, and/or, depending on Your Tour Destination Specific Terms.
    1.6 We may amend these Conditions from time to time. If We amend the Conditions, We will publish the amended version on Our Website. We will also provide the current version of the Conditions to You upon request. You will be bound by the current version of the Conditions at the time You make Your Booking
    Cancellation, delays and changes to Your Itinerary
    5.3 if we cancel a Tour, for whatever reason, before departure:
    (a) we will use reasonable endeavours to offer You the closest available tour or cruise departure …….
    (c) if you do not accept the proposed alternative within 7 days of being notified by Us of the alternative, We will cancel Your Booking, refund to You all monies paid directly to Us and will have no further liability to You”

    Under Australian contract law, once offer of cruise accepted under these T&Cs, the party who cancels pays the penalty. Scenic, for 2021 and beyond cruises, has added exclusion clause and is attempting to apply this exclusion addidtion to past bookings.

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